UFC 70..Nations collide
OPENING LINE FOR CRO COP/GONZAGA FIGHT:
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS - Apr 21
UFC 70 "NATIONS COLLIDE"
MANCHESTER, UK - $1000 LIMITS
12:00 PM
4 /21 /073195131952
GABRIEL GONZAGA+400
MIRKO "CRO COP" FILIPOVIC-500
posted by pc7588
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any opinions on werdum/arlovski. i heard werdum is +300, which seems way off. i havnt seen many pride events but looks like he has faced stiffer comp and he trains with cro-cop. i think aa only chance may be a big knock out shot. but from watching the highlights of werdum fight with nog, it looks like he can take a shot. any thoughts/info?
posted by terpkeg
April 17 2007 10:57pm -
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Keep in mind that the UFC (Dana White) really wants Arlivoski in the mix of things. Cro Cop, Coture, Fedor ( he's on his way to UFC) , Arlivoski, and Vera = mucho fan interest which translates in to mucho $$$$ which is all UFC cares about anymore. What I am trying to say is that without going as far to say the fights are rigged, the winner will be who Dana wants to win!!!! However, anything can happen in MMA. one shot and you are fucking done. Ask GSP......
posted by ultimatecapper
April 18 2007 5:48pm -
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That's the fight I like the most. I agree with UC (and have been saying for awhile now) that the UFC is starting to stage their year. Anyways, looking at that fight, Cro Cop's training partner is Arlosvki's opponent. And he's also a BJJ instructor. This line should be at a pick..but as of now, I'm not backing the pit bull. If Bisping loses I'm gonna laugh hard. Elvis is a joke. And I do think Cro Cop could lose to Gonzaga..more on that later. Anyways...at least it's free. I'll post the fight lines when they go up on bookmaker.
posted by pc7588
April 18 2007 6:27pm -
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Yo PC,
Beware bud. Elvis' record is a joke. But he has fought the best out there at 205. And we no nothing about Bisping's chin or how good this guy really is. From what I have seen he looks great. But he has fought nobody after nobody. That's just my warning about that one. I do definatley think Bisping should win. But don't be suprised if he doesn't.
The Pit Bull should and will win this fight. I don't care who trains with who. The Pit Bull is just so well rounded. The only thing that scares me about him is his chin. That's it. But he is good on the ground, good stand up, and he has a gas tank. I think he will be alright.
I think I am more than likely going to bet 3 maybe 4 on this card. I think I will back Machida. He is just all around sick. I am hoping the line isn't so outrageous though. I will probably take Cro Cop and The Pit Bull. But will wait and see when the lines come out. My fucking site I use has the lines come out so late. It sucks.
I can't wait to see the new heavyweight on the block get in the ring in the UFC. He is a fucking monster. And he should get in there and wipe out almost everyone in the UFC. Nogueira already beat Cro Cop. Got him with an armbar. He has a few losses. But went the distance with Fedor 2 times and also had a no contest against Fedor. So he went toe to toe with the baddest heavyweight in the world. That heavyweight division is getting interesting. Should be a fun year for the UFC and us betting.
PC add your insight. Love hearing it. Your a smart man with the sport and betting on it. I wanna hear what you have to say. Definately.
Thanks,
Jimmy
posted by oakland4life
April 18 2007 10:53pm -
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looks like i either got some bogus info or there was some serious line movement. bodog has aa/werdum at a pick em. you were on point pc. still think im gonna roll w/ werdum, also like a. silva, but not sure if i wanna lay the juice. anyway, pc looking forward to youjr plays. been tailing them for a while and making some coin.
posted by terpkeg
April 18 2007 11:42pm -
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heres bodog's early lines, they usually get alot of movement and they also nail you on the juice so if your gonna bet mma i wouldnt reccomend using them. however, they're usaul out early
Terry Etim -160
Matt Grice +130
Junior Assuncao -190
David Lee +155
Alessio Sakara -180
Victor Valimaki +150
Dennis Siver -150
Jess Liaudin +120
Edilberto Crocota -210
Paul Taylor +170
Andrei Arlovski -115
Fabricio Werdum -115
Assuerio Silva -260
Cheick Kongo +200
Michael Bisping -525
Elvis Sinosic +375
Lyoto Machida -400
David Heath +300
Mirko Cro Cop -450
Gabriel Gonzaga +300
posted by terpkeg
April 18 2007 11:48pm -
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I watched Elvis fight in person a few years ago. He completely got his ass kicked. He was a bloody mess and his face got ponded. HOWEVER, he fought hard till the end of the fight. Did not lay down.... Once again, the UFC wants Bisping to win badly. They even are having a fight across the pond just for him. They want the Brit audience. I think they picked the wrong guy here. Granted Elvis is like in his mid to late 30's I believe, but I would not be shocked if the fight goes three. If it ends early it will be from a submition in opinion.
I hope Bisping loses. He is an arrogant cocky crumpet!!!!! How bout winning a few times against quality opponents before declaring yourself a national hero.
posted by ultimatecapper
April 19 2007 8:07am -
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Guys...cmon..Elvis got drilled by an over rated Forrest. Elvis hasn't beaten anyone of merit in 5 years. This is the same type of fight Forrest had......a tune up for bigger and better things. Go read Elvis's interview at mmaweekly and you'll see the cat is just happy to get his big payday.
Looking forward to it. You guys have a good one.
And post your fight picks boys. Opinions are great but when you got em on the table you got my respect.
Jimmy..if you haven't seen Werdum don't just think Arlosvki is easy. I'm tellin ya, he's a prima donna too. If he lost twice to the Maineiac..what is a real JuJitsu practitioner gonna due?
As for CroCop..he's not the best heavyweight..when Fedor finally gets his butt in gear we will see the best. But I got Noriega and Cro Cop behind that mofo.
Juice..I want Quinton/Lidell tickets...be the moneyball$$$
posted by pc7588
April 19 2007 11:47am -
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Good insight fellas.
I agree Werdum is good. I won't take that away from him. I have seen him fight before. What we are doing though is making this guy look so awesome and making the Pit Bull look like an ass. Yes he did lose to Sylvia. But remember, he knocked that fat bitch out but didn't finish him. Got caught with a lucky punch that ended the fight. Then he beat Sylvias ass the third fight. But not enough to take the belt away. Everyone says it. It just wasn't enough to change hands. That's all. But other than that. The Pit Bull is sick. He is as good as Werdum on the ground. He's stronger. And he punches harder. Like I said though. The Pit Bull's chin scares the shit out of me. The only thing that covers up for his weak chin is his fitness. When he gets hurt he recovers quickly. If he loses it won't be by tap out. He will get knocked out. But I see him winning.
And yes your right Elvis didn't look good sometimes. But remember he has fought the best. That's enough said to make you realize that he could give Bisping a run. I am not saying he will win. I am just saying don't overlook the guy.
My opion on the heavyweights. Go look at Mark Hunt. That's the best heavyweight out there. He will beat Fedor the next time they fight. I will bet on that all day everyday. He lost the last one by a submission. But before then he was kicking the shit out of Fedor. If not Mark Hunt. It will be someone else. I don't see anyone in the UFC beating Fedor. But someone in Pride will. I am saying it here first though. I firmly believe when they fight, Mark Hunt will get his ass.
So you guys are looking at going to see Chuck/Rampage. Damn that would be fucking sweet. I am a huge Chuck fan. But it's impossible to dislike Rampage. He is just a cool ass dude. I want Chuck to win really bad. And I am affraid for him at the sametime. I just think Rampages style is not good for Chuck. But I won't cry if Chuck loses.
posted by oakland4life
April 19 2007 12:03pm -
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here are the lines I'll be using from Bookmaker...fellas..look at the time and add 2 hours..you need to get your bets in by 11:00AM CST to get in on the action. And Juice..don't post the results from Sherdog.I don't want to know when I watch it.
UFC 70 "NATIONS COLLIDE"
MANCHESTER, UK - $1000 LIMITS
12:00 PM4 /21 /07
3195131952
GABRIEL GONZAGA
MIRKO "CRO COP" FILIPOVIC
+400
-500
12:00 PM4 /21 /07
3195331954
DAVID HEATH
LYOTO MACHIDA
+285
-355
12:00 PM4 /21 /07
3195531956
ELVIS SINOSIC
MICHAEL BISPING
+425
-525
12:00 PM4 /21 /07
3195731958
FABRICIO WERDUM
ANDREI ARLOVSKI
-110
-120
12:00 PM4 /21 /07
3195931960
CHEICK KONGO
ASSUERIO SILVA
+195
-245
10:00 AM4 /21 /07
3196131962
TERRY ETIM
MATT GRICE
-120
-110
10:00 AM4 /21 /07
3196331964
DAVID LEE
JUNIOR ASSUNCAO
+160
-200
10:00 AM4 /21 /07
3196531966
VICTOR VALIMAKI
ALESSIO SAKARA
+120
-150
10:00 AM4 /21 /07
3196731968
JESS LIAUDIN
DENNIS SIVER
+105
-135
10:00 AM4 /21 /07
3196931970
PAUL TAYLOR
EDILBERTO CROCOTA
+205
-255
posted by pc7588
April 20 2007 10:14am -
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Do we really know if Bisping is any good? He looked like shit against that reject the last fight he had. Sinosic is old in UFC years. As for a big pay day, I would be willing to bet he does not make more than 6k at most. We chatted with him in Vegas one time. He was on the card at Liddell-Coture 3, I believe. He lasted 3 rounds and was beaten to a pulp. He told us he made a whopping 3 grand.
I do not think Bisping is a lock. With that being said I see no value in betting on him. I am shying away from the whole card.....
posted by ultimatecapper
April 20 2007 4:58pm -
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Usual rhetoric...bet this exactly as I lay it out and you almost always never lose money...
BEST BET: Allesio Sakara -150 over Victor Valimaki.
3units
Werdum over Arlosvki -120 2units
Cheick Kongo over Assuerio Silva 2 units +225
Main event .5 unit to win 2.5 units on Gabriel Gonzaga.
Anaylsis:
Sakara is one of the best in the world. this is a good fight but you'll see a majority decision if not the famous arm bar that Sakara loves. I really think that line is off.
I like Werdum for the simple reason that Arlosvki is a prima donna. He has done nothing to impress me in the UFC. Werdum is well traveled and has fought on both sides of the pond. This is his chance to make a statement and I really do believe that Andre is an exceptional athlete, just not a great heavyweight. In fact, if AA could move down to 205, it would be very interesting.
I really like Kongo to dominate. Have you guys seen the French nightmare? he's a tough fighter and very well rounded. I don't know much about his opponent, but I'm willing to take the value on the dog status.
Gonzaga is just too good to pass up as a 4 1/2 to 1 dog. Yes Cro Cop is a monster, but they don't win all the time. If Gonzaga wins, he gets a shot at the Natural, and this is a fight that Couture could win. Anyways, Gonzaga is a BJJ stud and hits very hard. If he can get inside Cro Cops guard and take him down, should be a very interesting fight. Tall guys like Mirko usually dominate a fight like this, but Gonzaga is fast enough and intelligent enough to make it a very interesting fight. The heavyweight division is going to be in a shambles in about 6 months when the Pride fighters make their mark. Will be very interesting to see if they have 2 separate belts after the buy out or unify the sport.
Good luck all...I'm looking forward to the card.
posted by pc7588
April 20 2007 6:33pm -
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pc,
glad to see you on werdum. i defenitily believe aa is overrated and think the wrong fighter is favored. ill take the man who has fought stronger competition and has a better chin.
werdum over arlovski 75/75
gonz over cro-cop 10/40
posted by terpkeg
April 21 2007 10:37am -
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Put a few wagers on this, I have some but not much knowledge in this sport. So far I see we cashed with ALESSIO SAKARA -145. Only fight ya had that I didn't wager PC was the main event. Just don't see the dog coming in and can'y lay -500. GL bro. Bring em in!
posted by hilly
April 21 2007 3:14pm -
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CHEICK KONGO doggy$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
ALLESSIO SALARA$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
THANKYOU SIR
posted by coolrick1
April 21 2007 3:46pm -
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CHEICK KONGO +200 nice!
posted by hilly
April 21 2007 4:10pm -
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PC GABRIEL GONZAGA BIG DOGGI $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4
THANK YOU
posted by coolrick1
April 21 2007 9:44pm -
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Wow..Gonzaga baby$$$
BEST BET: Allesio Sakara -150 over Victor Valimaki.
3units WIN +3 Units
Werdum over Arlosvki -120 2units
L-2.40 Units
Cheick Kongo over Assuerio Silva 2 units +225
W +4.5 U
Main event .5 unit to win 2.5 units on Gabriel Gonzaga
W +2.5 U
Total: +7.6 Units...We cash yet again$$$$
See ya in May for Chuck and Quinton.
posted by pc7588
April 22 2007 12:02am -
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That was a great card. And glad it was free. I have spent so much damn money the past few years on pay per views. ha ha But that was a good one. Too many damn commercials though.
Hey PC did you order some of those girls gone wild videos. Just kidding. It seemed that commercial was played about a million times.
Glad to see you did well on the fights. I made some money on the Gonzaga fight. Only cause I learned my lesson by not betting on the last upset.
Later,
Jimmy
posted by oakland4life
April 22 2007 12:43am -
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I thought the Croatian Cop was dead for a minute. If anyone recorded it on dvr, watch Herb Dean's face when Cro Cop hits the ground. Then watch him immediately straighten out his tweaked leg. I hate that the UFC rarely shows the fighters after they have been knocked the fuck out. They have no problem showing a guy getting 40 hammer fists to the melon during the fight. When all is said and done they will not show a fighter layed out. If there were 10 million watching that fight last night, 9.999 million would have rather watched Cro Cop being tended to than a Portugese speaking meathead who had nothing to say....
posted by ultimatecapper
April 22 2007 7:33am -
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think i found us a goldmine!!!
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posted by southern5061
April 26 2007 7:16pm